Philologos The Four Horsemen Today I was reading "Skywatchers, Shamans & Kings" by E.C. Krupp and he speaks of four 'Guardian Kings' in the Lamaist tradition ("Lamaism is really Buddhism with a Tibetan twist"). They are guardians of the four cardinal directions. They each hold something different in their hands and each have a different colored face: 1.Dhritarashra's face is white/Guardian King of the
East/plucks a lute. There are other instances where the cardinal directions are associated with certain colors. The Taoists have the Mo li brothers aka Diamond Kings: 1. Mo liqing/eldest brother/western king/white face/has a magic lance named Blue Cloud, sometimes shown with a sword. "The words on the lance say 'earth, water, fire, wind.' It prevails with the power of the elemental forces of nature. When Mo liqing swings it in battle, it inspires a black wind to blow. This wind carries thousands of deadly spears, and a gold fire of flaming snakes follows it. Blinding smoke emerges from the ground and traps the enemy army. His spear and serpent storms are thought to symbolize his control of whirlwinds and waterspouts." 2. Mo lihong/southern king/red face/has a magic parasol known as the Umbrella of Chaos. "It dazzles with jewels, semiprecious stones, and mother-of-pearl, and the inscription on it reads, 'shut and open heaven and earth.' Any slight movement of the umbrella makes the earth tremor. If Mo lihong lifts it overhead, it hides the sun and the moon. The umbrella seems to have the concession for eclipses, for it cloaks the universe with a cosmic darkness." 3. Mo lihai/eastern king/blue-green face/plucks his four-string lute and "tunes the winds to his will. One chord blows up a storm. All of his enemies stop to listen, and their camps ignite and burn." 4. Mo lishou/northern king/ black face/has a "couple of whips and an extraordinary creature, which he keeps in a leopard-skin bag. The animal looks like a white rat. Its name means 'the sable that can turn into a speckled fox,' and when Mo lishou sets it loose, it becomes a white elephant with wings and eats whoever comes its way." I also found this same theme of color-coordinated directions in American Indian culture (various places on the net):
This concept of having different colors representing different directions seems to be pretty universal so I tried applying the same thing to the four horsemen in Revelation chapter 6. Here's what I came up with. In Numbers 2 there is a breakdown of how the tribes of Israel were to camp around the tabernacle in the wilderness. On the east side was the main camp of Judah (4th son of Jacob); west side Ephraim (Joseph=11th son); north Dan (5th son); south Reuben (1st son). I, at first, thought the stones in the breastplate of the high priest that went along with each one of these sons would correspond to the colors of the horsemen (white, red, black, pale) but it didn't work. There is absolutely no concensus on exactly what each of the stones are so we don't know what colors they are. I could've played around with them and made them fit but it seemed to be too much noodling around. I then checked out the 12 foundations in the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21:19-20 (although these refer to the apostles) and the definitions seemed to fit perfectly with the first reference work I checked (Online Bible Greek lexicon). Here it is with a lot less noodling but I've gotta confess I stopped looking after the first try. Revelation 21:19-20 1st=Reuben=south=jasper=Greek iaspis=Pliny speaks of a white jasper although there are many colors for jaspers. 4th=Judah=east=emerald=Greek smaragdos=transparent gem noted for its light green color 5th=Dan=north=sardonyx=Greek sardonux=red 11th=Ephraim/Joseph=west=jacinth= Greek huakinthos=precious stone of a dark blue merging on black color Now to add this information to the beginning of Revelation 6 (with Jerusalem as the central point): white=south red=north black=west green=east Here are a couple more items with regards to color: From http://www.fotw.net/flags/arabcols.html: Red Green: The Fatimid Dynasty (909-1171), North
Africa. White: The Umayyad Dynasty (661-750), Damascus Black: The Prophet Mohammad (570-632) It is interesting to compare the black horse above. Why are there scales, when the wheat and barley are measured by volume? Awfully expensive items; I wonder if these grains symbolize two distinct groups of people. Hmmm. The unit of currency is the denarius, of which the word "dinar" evolved. Introducing the New Islamic Dinar and Durham: http://www.murabitun.org/WITO/intro.html This new gold standard currency is of course, a specific measure of gold by weight. Also, concerning the colors of the breastplates in Revelation 9. Compare the Armenian flag: (http://www.stm.it/elections/election/maps/armenia.htm; link no longer active; please contact us if URL is redirected to a questionable site) Here is a map of Armenia over the ages: (http://www.armeniaemb.org/geninfo/history.htm; link no longer active; please contact us if URL is redirected to a questionable site) Greater Armenia included most of Eastern Anatolia, including a good portion of the Euphrates. One day, out of the blue, I noticed in Rev 16 that the Greek for "kings of the east" looked awfully familiar..."east", meaning literally "rising of the sun". The Greek word for rising happens to be "anatole". Armenia... land-locked and smack in the middle of the Caspian oil situation. A volitile region, to say the least. Isn't that special. "...in [Revelation] 6:2 the bowman sitting on a white horse, to whom a crown was given, is the Parthian king. The bow was not a Roman weapon: it was not used in Roman armies except by a few auxiliaries levied among outlying tribes, who carried their national weapon. The Parthian weapon was the bow; the warriors were all horsemen; and they could use the bow as well when they were fleeing as when they were charging. The writers of that period often mention the Parthian terror on the East, and their devastating incursions were so much dreaded at that time that Trajan undertook a Parthian war in 115. Virgil foretells a Roman victory: the bow and the horse have been useless:--
Colour was also an important and significant detail. The Parthian king in 6:2 rides on a white horse. White had been the sacred colour among the old Persians, for whom the Parthians stood in later times; and sacred white horses accompanied every Persian army. The commentators who try to force a Roman meaning on this figure say that the Roman general, when celebrating a Triumph, rode on a white horse. This is a mistake; the general in a Triumph wore the purple and gold-embroidered robes of Jupiter, and was borne like the god in a four-horse car. The use of colour here as symbolical is illustrated by the custom of Tamerlane. When he laid siege to a city, he put up white tents, indicating clemency to the enemy. If resistance was prolonged forty days, he changed the tents, and put up red ones, portending a bloody capture. If obstinate resistance was persisted in for other forty days, black tents were substituted: the city was to be sacked with a general massacre. The meaning of the colours differs; there was no universal principle of interpretation; significance depended to some extent on circumstances and individual preference." The Letters to
the Seven Churches of Asia Correspondence on the Bible Prophecy Research mailing list. I think these 4 horses [Rev 6:1-8] correlate to the ones in Zechariah 6:1-8 where an angel explains that "These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth." Another interesting thing about the Zechariah horses is that they go in specific directions with the white ones going north.
Let me first say that I do believe that scripture explains scripture and the only thing that comes close to the 4 horses in Revelation 6:1-8 are the four chariots/horses in Zechariah 6:1-8 (even the numbering of the chapters and verses seems to jibe). This is just a skeleton explanation and needs some fleshing out, but here goes:
Zech 6:1-8 has 4 chariots with the horses IN them (this has to be one of the funniest sights in scripture--horses inside instead of pulling the chariots) in this order: 1. red It doesn't say how many horses are in each chariot. Revelation 6:1-8 horses--just one horse: 1. white
Zechariah explains where the horses in their chariots go: 1. black into north country
2. white go into north country after the black
3. grisled go into the south
5. red are not given a specific direction
I don't have any ideas why the order of the horses is different all the time. Zechariah ends with: "Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country." Why aren't the other directions mentioned? I have no clues. Any ideas? Bye, ____________________ From: "Donna"
Well, I will give it a shot, Moza. I looked up the phrase "quieted my spirit" in Strong's and Thayer's and what I got from it was that it meant literally to "put it to sleep".
While I know the black horse represents famine, I don't interpret it to mean a famine of food necessarily. The phrase corn, wine and oil abounds in the minor prophets (which are all end-time related books)...I think they have a symbolic meaning as follows:
Since I know from Amos 8:11 that the end-times famine of our Father is NOT for bread and wine but a famine for the Word of God ... I suggest that the black horse is not removing FOOD but the Word of God out of the north country. Followed closely by the white horse, which you have indicated (and I agree with) is AC ... I think it is deception that the white horse brings. If you have a scarcity of real truth then deception can flourish. What does AC want to conquer ? He wants to steal the inheritance from God's true children and the throne from God. That's what he has been after from day one.
As for the north country ... I wonder sometimes if we don't need to look back to God's chosen people for understanding of that. It was no accident that the tribes of Israel were divided up into two kingdoms ... one northern and one southern. Perhaps you will not find meaning in this but I do since I believe that the northern kingdom was scattered all over the world as a result of their captivity and lost their national identity and yet God recovered them by drawing them back into the fold as the primarily Christian nations. So when Zechariah says that the black and white horses are sent to the north country, I believe he is telling us that there will be a Famine for the true teaching of the Word of God and that as a result Deception will abound amongst the Christian nations. These are called the "lost tribes" by some. I prefer to think of them as hidden, myself. If you look at the word for north and then follow it back to it's root you can see a clear relationship to something "hidden".
Perhaps the other directions are not mentioned because they are of lesser importance to God as the people's they deal with are not his "chosen ones". Just a thought. Donna ____________________ From: "Donna" Oh yeah ... I forgot to mention that you should take note that the four beasts are told not to hurt the oil and the wine. Using my suggested symbolic meanings then you would find that they are told not to bother those that have real understanding of God's Word and the presence of the Holy Spirit. Famine of the Word and Deception can't really hurt one of God's spirit-filled, knowledgeable children because we carry it with us.
This should also cause you to think of the Parable of the 10 virgins ... all 10 waiting for the bridgegroom to come ... this means they KNEW the bridegroom was coming and so they were religious folk waiting for him. Some took just a little oil and missed out because they had to go "buy" some (and from whom?) ... some took enough oil to keep their lamps burning through the night and they went with the bridegroom to the wedding. What oil was required ? The Holy Spirit. He's the only protection we have from deception and lack of teaching. It reminds me of something else but I've yet to make up my mind whether it's related or not. I am one of those that believes that the Mark of the Beast is spiritual rather than physical. Since we just talked about the Famine being for the Word of God rather than food what do you bet that the "buying and selling" related to the Mark of the Beast is the buying and selling of corn, wine and oil ... who're ya buying it from ? Satan's peddling deception ... it sure can "look" like the real thing but it won't burn in the lamp. Just some random thoughts. Donna ____________________ From: "Donna" I am going to refer you to these verses of Rev 4:1-5 and so I print them here at the top for easy reference. I offer these thoughts for your consideration.
There are a couple of things I want to point out to you in the Rev 6:1-8 passage that we were talking about earlier. Rev 6:1-8 I kind of think this "noise of thunder" is the voice of Almighty God; if you notice in Rev 4:1-5 John describes the "lightenings and thunderings and voices" that proceed out of the throne. God seems to speak with a voice like a a thundering trumpet ... trumpet and thunder. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. We know that Satan can transform himself into an angel of light ... the color white is the color of light ... representing innocence.
But right off the innocence is suspect because a) we are warned elsewhere that the dragon wears lambs clothing and b) he carries a fake bow. Notice that it is not a bow like in "bow and arrows" ... there are no arrows. It's a bow like a "rainbow" ... a fake rainbow. Notice in Rev 4:3 that around God's thrown there is a rainbow. This bow that the rider on the white horse is given is SIMPLE FABRIC. Notice that it's root word has to do with producing fruit from seed. What fruit and what seed ? It's a fake rainbow.
We also know that that Christ comes later and he has already "conquered" through his death and resurrection so we can be fairly sure this is not he. No, this is Satan out to overcome God's people and subdue the world. His last ditch effort to declare himself God. Christ does not tell us to be overcomers for nothing ... overcomers not OVERCOME.
3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. Come and be very surprised ! he means.
4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. Let's think a minute. We are in a highly symbolic book, what does a sword represent ? What is Christ's double-edged sword ? It's the Word of God. Why wouldn't this "sword" also be words rather than steel ? What is at the root of all the major battles if not religion ? What starts all wars if not words ? Red is the color of fire ... firey words and passion. And what is peace ? Perhaps it represents the peace of salvation, the way that leads to peace as in Thayer's definition. You don't have peace unless you have salvation. If Satan obscures the way to salvation then he's taken peace from the world.
5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. Notice the balances in the hand of the rider of the black horse. This is a symbol of bondage and slavery. The rider of the black horse comes to put the world back under bondage. It is not Christ's yoke but Satan's. Come and See - look and be very surprised about it !
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. Remembering here of course that the famine of the latter days according to Amos 8 is for the Word of God and not for bread ... it goes along with all I've just showed you. These horses come to put us back under bondage, obscure the way to the salvation of Christ and steal the Word of God from us. But they can't hurt those that have the OIL = Holy Spirit and the WINE = real understanding of God's Word. How do you have those ? STUDY, STUDY, STUDY, PRAY, PRAY, PRAY ! And to the RIGHT Lord, not the fake. 7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. Come and look with surprise ! 8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. (KJV) Whose name is Death ? I think if you look around in scripture you will find that Death is one of Satan's names. Who brought death on the world through the serpent ? If you follow him, Satan will bring upon you not only the death of the body but the second death, death of the soul. How did Satan get to Adam and Eve in the garden ? How did he tempt Christ ? How does he go after any man ? WORDS. Satan's sword is his word. And when you listen to him instead of God's Word you will go hungry ... and receive death ... death of body and soul. And the beasts of the earth ... remember you're still in the book of symbology. Notice that these words also connote savage brutal men ... take it back to the root word and you get a sense of a destructive trap being prepared.
____________________ From: "Donna" Someone reminded me that white = light = truth. ** Light also represents "truth". Don't hide From another BPR member: Here is my interpretation of Rev. 6:1-8: From "Moza"
I saw a show recently (11/98) called "Warhorse: A Beast for Heroes" on the History Channel and they showed many representations of the aristocracy riding holding a bow and a page riding behind carrying the bows. The month of Kislev's [Oct/Nov] sign is Keshet/Sagittarius. "Kislev's sign is The Bow (Keshet in Hebrew)." (Ohr Somayach "Seasons of the Moon" email list) -------------------- "The Hebrew and Syriac name of the sign is Kesith, which means the Archer (as in Genesis 21:20). The Arabic name is Al Kaus, the arrow. In Coptic it is Pimacre, the graciousness, or beauty of the coming forth. In Greek it is Toxotes, the archer, and in Latin Sagittarius. "There are 69 stars in the sign, viz., five of the 3rd magnitude (all in the bow), nine of the 4th, etc. "The names of the brightest stars are significant: "Hebrew, Naim, which means the gracious one...Hebrew, Nehushta, the going or sending forth...We see the same in the Arabic names which have come down to us: Al Naim, the gracious one; Al Shaula, the dart; Al Warida, who comes forth; Ruchba or rami, the riding of the bowman." (The Witness of the Stars, E. W. Bullinger). The 3 constellations associated with this sign include: --------------------
"The sign of the month of Tishrei [Sept/Oct], Libra, is called in Hebrew Moznaim, which literally means 'balances.' It's not difficult to see the connection between the symbol of the balances and the month of Tishrei, for the first day of Tishrei is Rosh Hashana, a day when the future of the world and all its inhabitants literally hangs in the balance." (Ohr Somayach, Seasons of the Moon email list) -------------------- "The Hebrew name is Mozanaim, the Scales, weighing. Its name in Arabic is Al Zubena, pruchase, or redemption. In Coptic, it is Lambadia, station of propitiation (from Lam, graciousness, and badia, branch). The name by which it has come down to us is the Latin, Libra, which means weighing, as used in the Vulgate (Isa 40:12). "Libra contains three bright stars whose names supply us with the whole matter. The brightest (in the lower scale), is named Zuben al Genubi, which means the purchase, or price which is deficient. This points to the fact that man has been utterly ruined. He is 'weighed in the balances and found wanting.'" The second brightest "al Gubi, heaped up, or high." The third brightest "is called Zuben Akrabi or Zuben al Akrab, which means the price of the conflict." (The Witness of the Stars, E. W. Bullinger) It is an interesting fact of history that some cultures favored the bow as a weapon of war, considering it a "noble weapon": Akkadians, Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, and Parthians, to name but a few. All used the bow in battle and prided themselves in their prowess with it. Other cultures, including the Roman, did not consider the bow a valorous weapon of war. Yet the Romans did realize the practical importance of archery as a long-distance form of warfare and therefore normally had auxiliary contingents of archers attached to their battle groups. These were usually either mercenaries or troops contributed by dependent kings. (The Sea of Galilee, Shelley Wachsmann) See also
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