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Subject: [bprlist] Growing Group of Christians Living According to Torah
From: owner-bpr@philologos.org
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:16:34 -0000

 Growing Group of Christians Living According to Torah

    William Morris is a fundamentalist Christian who
 prefers the moniker "Messianic believer." But, instead
 of reinforcing traditional Christian ways, his literal
 reading of the Old and New Testaments has led him and
 others to swap Christmas and Easter for the Jewish rites
 which Jesus himself observed.

    That quest, which began for Morris in the early 1980s,
 has made him aware of tens of thousands across the globe
 who accept Jesus as Messiah, and also live according to
 the Jewish Torah. Some are Jews who have embraced Jesus,
 but a growing number are Gentiles.

    The Judaizing movement "is intensifying," said Richard
 Landes, director of the Center for Millennial Studies at
 Boston University, and cites reports of non-Jews studying
 the Talmud at universities.

    One reason some Christians take this step, he said, is
 that some harbor a "millennial" expectation of a final
 judgment in the near future. For them, he said, "Jewish
 religiosity is more in keeping with their millennial
 philosophy than the Christianity they grew up with is."

    Those expecting the end soon aren't the only non-Jews
 drawn to aspects of Judaism, according to fundamentalism
 expert Brenda Brasher, assistant professor of religion at
 Mount Union College in Ohio. She said, "Societies go
 through cycles of anti-Semitism and philo-Semitism,
 rejecting things Jewish at certain times and reveling in
 Jewish roots at other times ... We're at a philo-Semitic
 moment in the history of the Christian tradition,"
 Brasher said. She points to Pope John Paul II's joining
 Jews to pray at the Western Wall in Jerusalem and to
 stories of fundamentalist tourists to Israel being
 inspired by Jewish piety.

 (Story by G. Jeffrey Macdonald, Religion News Service and
 The Times-Picayune http://www.nola.com)

 To view this story on-line, go to:
 http://news.crosswalk.com/religion/item/0,1875,322688,00.htm

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Subject: [bprlist] Jerusalem Post Radio interview with Barry Chamish
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:38:17 -0000

Jerusalem Post Radio interview with Barry Chamish:

"Barry Chamish is the author of 'Who Killed Yitzchak Rabin?' and
other conspiratorial books relating to Israel. He now reveals some
brow-raising facts that suggest Prime Minister-elect Ariel Sharon is
not who people think he is."

Available in Media Player and Real Player formats.
12 minutes in length

http://www.jpostradio.com/
(Left hand column, towards the bottom)

[BPRnote: Chamish discussion mostly centers around the role
and influence of the CFR in Israeli government. Chamish made the
comment that he didn't vote in the last Israeli election because
it didn't matter -- Israel was going to get a CFR member
no matter who won.]

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Subject: [bprlist] Bible Mysteries/Ark of the Covenant
From: "Patt A."
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 01:25:48 -0800 (PST)

---Forwarded message follows---

Subject:Mysteries of the Bible - 2/15/2001
Date:Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:27:51 -0600

ON GOLDEN POLES UPDATE! STOP PRESS.

We have just received this notification from NBC. Please tellall your friends if you wish the networks to show more Biblical material. We are up against 60 Minutes and have only two weeks to get the word out. Michael - I'm forwarding this information from our Scheduling department. Please note, as always, this is subject to change.

Sunday, March 4, 2001 7:00pm
NBC SPECIAL: BIBLICAL MYSTERIES: ARK OF THE COVENANT

Sunday, March 11, 2001 7:00pm
NBC SPECIAL: BIBLICAL MYSTERIES: SODOM & GOMORRAH

Thank you.

1) On our press page there is now posted the Chicago Sun Times report onour findings re. "The Garden of Eden" in Turkey. The Daily Mail of London,The National of Canada and The Yorkshire Evening Post of England also ranindependant stories as did the BBC and many independant radio and television stations world-wide.

2) On the same page there is a link to a site which has been set up in Turkish to include all the press reports in the Turkish press which have been considerable and impressive.

http://www.biblemysteries.com/GoldenPolesV.html
This is the link to our new page showing the shrine=ark being carried on gold-covered wooden staves in the Egyptian Temple at Medinet Habu, exactly as described in the Bible. Video streaming is available.

This is the Text. "The shrine was with a roof, two columns, and an upper cornice of theroof; they were of gold in raised work, in real costly stone.I made its august shrine like the horizon of Heaven, in thy barque in themidst of it, resting upon it.............I wrought upon its great carrying-poles, overlaid with fine gold, engraved with thy name. (HarrisPapyrus Pl. 47, #315).

KJV Exodus 25:10 And they shall make an ark of shittim wood: two cubitsand a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadththereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.

KJV Exodus 25:11 And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within andwithout shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of goldround about.

KJV Exodus 25:13 And thou shalt make staves of shittim wood, and overlaythem with gold.

The similarities are startling and unique to the period if Ramesses III were indeed Shishak. One must ask why carrying poles which would slip andslide within the rings which enabled them to carry the "ark" = "shrine" would be covered in Gold. Surely it would quickly wear off the wood. Yet this unlikely construction is found both in the Biblical account of the manufacture of the Ark and in the Harris Papyrus, an Egyptian account ofthe years of Ramesses III.In both cases the Ark=Shrine contained just one object. A plaque dedicatedto the god of the Egyptian, and in the Biblical account, a broken plaque,the actual gift of GOD.In the Cairo Museum are actual Egyptian plaques, some in Gold(Tutankhamun's shrine) some in other stones and in one museum case thereis an actual foundation deposit plaque broken as we would envisage the"Ten Commandments" to be."p.s.

Please check out the site created by "Friends of Mysteries" which can be reached from our home page. They have created some wonderful things there relating to our adventures (a comprehensive photo album) and charts helpful to understanding our chronology, amongst other things.

EverMikeMike.Sanders@B...://www.biblemysteries.com

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Subject: [bprlist] Sinners face gang's wrath
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:38:44 -0000

February 17, 2001
Sinners face gang's wrath
Olympic security risk

By ERIC FRANCIS -- Sun Media

http://www.canoe.com/TorontoNews/11n1.html

SALT LAKE CITY -- Security preparations for the 2002 Winter Games
include warnings of a do-gooder gang that reacts violently to those
who sin.

Known as the Straight Edgers, this 150-member gang has been involved
in several violent attacks here in recent years.

"They don't like people who drink or smoke or have pre-marital sex,"
says Jim Hill, a 23-year veteran officer with the Salt Lake City
Police Department.

"They take it to the limits by inflicting pain and suffering on
people who do these things."

They have even killed, Hill says, citing a 1998 incident in which a
confrontation escalated from a fist-fight to a knife fight and ended
with a fatal gunshot.

'VERY VIOLENT'

"They are very violent and are usually fairly heavily tattooed," says
Hill, who spent three years with the city's gangs squad and two as
metro gang sergeant.

"Sometimes they align with Vegans (people who don't eat meat). There
are a lot of things to worry about for the Olympics and they'll be
among them."

In a relatively crime-free city, Hill says the gang hasn't reared its
ugly head of late. He figures some of that has to do with the
incarceration of several key members.

In an extremely straight-laced city where 50% of people are Mormons,
Hill says the Straight Edgers aren't necessarily religious types, but
can be. Often seen wearing gang jackets with the group's logo (a
large X with the smaller letters s and e on either side of it) Hill
says the troublemakers are easy to spot.

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Subject: [bprlist] Christian Environmentalists Are Out to Save the Earth
From: owner-bpr@philologos.org
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:45:37 -0000

Christian Environmentalists Are Out to Save the Earth
Magazine charts nationwide 'greening of religious communities'

http://www.charismanews.com/news.cgi?a=latest&t=news.html

Former Foursquare church pastor Peter Illyn used to preach from a
pulpit, but nowadays he takes the gospel outside to the great
outdoors.

"I work with a group called Target Earth -- we're all about serving
the earth and serving the poor," Illyn, 42, says. "We were made to
love God, love people and love creation. Environmental stewardship is
part of our calling as Christians, but the church has remained silent
for so many years that we've defaulted to New Age pagans and
industrialists."

Illyn's "green gospel" cause and that of other Christian
environmentalists has won the attention of "Outside," a national
outdoor and recreation magazine that investigates the movement in a
12-page article. The cover for the March issue declares: "God's Green
Army Wants You! Holy Rollers Invade Environmentalism."

Inside, the magazine says that Illyn's crusade to bring environmental
awareness to America's evangelical youth is "but one sign of the
greening of religious communities across the nation." Big
environmental issues have been affected by the "faith community" in
the past two years, "Outside" adds.

The report notes how the National Council of Churches, the country's
largest coalition of Protestant and Orthodox Christian denominations,
is in the process of lobbying for national and international action
on global warming. Meanwhile, in Southern California, a group called
Christians Caring for Creation is suing the U.S. Fish & Wildlife
Services to protect the endangered Alameda whipsnake and arroyo toad.
In the Bible Belt, local preachers are spearheading a grassroots
campaign to save the Southern forests from chip mills.

Paul Gorman, executive director of the National Religious Partnership
for the Environment (NRPE), the nation's largest interdenominational
coalition, says such eco-faith activism reflects "a profound shift in
religious belief." Member groups of NRPE include mainline and African-
American Protestants, Jews, Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox and
evangelical Christians.

"This isn't just another issue for us," Gorman
tells "Outside." "We're not interested in being the shock troops for
the Green Party. Care for creation has become a central element of
religious life."

But many evangelicals are skeptical of the idea of Christian
environmentalists. "Outside" says that for some Christians,
environmentalism "still carries the taint of loose-moral liberalism.
There's a suspicion that Illyn's message could be the thin end of the
wedge: tree-hugging today; gay marriage tomorrow. Lions may one day
lie down with the lambs, but can the beef-eating, pro-life, Jesus-is-
Lord soul savers lie down with the tofu-frying, pro-choice, proudly
pagan flower children long enough to save the earth?"

Gary Phillips, a Methodist minister and environmentalist in Chatham
County, N.C., says that non-Christian conservationists are also leery
of evangelical environmentalists. "I try to get them to look at the
full breadth of spirit as part of their work and overcome their
resentments against the right-wing Christian church. Environmental
people are scared to death of religious people."

The magazine says the new wave of Christian environmentalists
are "God's Greens...waging holy war on behalf of an embattled
creation. But, critics ask, is this a truly divine cause -- or the
devil's work?"

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Subject: [bprlist] The Sky Is Falling In Florida... And It Stinks
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:19:33 -0000

The Sky Is Falling In Florida... And It Stinks
By Steve Newborn
The Tampa Tribune
February 15, 2001

http://www.tampatrib.com/MGAS6SGD9JC.html

It's brown, it's dropping from the sky, and it's not easy on the nose.

Where it comes from, nobody knows.

Where it goes is over everything.

Cimarron Drive in south Lakeland is being bedeviled by a plague of
brown spots that cover cars, driveways and picnic tables.

Bewildered neighbors point to a variety of possible causes: high-
flying birds, higher-flying airplanes, pollen or even something to do
with those nearby high-voltage power lines.

All Demetra Kaltsos knows is she can't go outside anymore without
being bombarded with foul- smelling mustard-brown stuff.

``I don't see any birds or planes. I don't get where it's coming
from,'' she said. ``It doesn't wash out good. It's ruining my clothes
and everything.''

It dries to little spots or elongated lines. You wash your car,
neighbors said, and you need to wash it again two days later.

``I can't even go into my back yard because this stuff is falling
from the sky everywhere and it's disgusting,'' Kaltsos said. ``I
don't know if it's going to be hazardous to my kids.''

Health officials are equally mystified.

Gene Jeffers, an environment engineering administrator for the Polk
County Health Department, checked out the area this week. He said
samples were taken to a laboratory Thursday by workers with the state
Department of Environmental Protection.

Results could take several days.

Jeffers had his own conjectures on where it came from. It could be
coming from nearby orange groves, he said. Maybe from airborne
particles of muck burning in wildfires near Mulberry.

``It seems to me to be organic in nature,'' he said.

Jeffers lives about a mile away and has never had the problem. But
the closer one goes to Cimarron Drive, the more spots appear. Some
were spotted at a fire station a few blocks away.

Another resident of Cimarron Drive said her car has been covered by
the brown drops the past six months.

``You can take your car down to have it cleaned, and by tomorrow it
will look like this again,'' Gina Smith said.

Smith had her own guess - maybe it's stuff taken by the winds from
phosphate plants to the south.

``It's one of those things that's falling out of the sky,'' Smith
said. ``No one knows how, or why.''

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Subject: [bprlist] Rock lyrics and society.
From: tracy
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:00:46 -0000

I have always defended the musicians who take a beating
from "moralistic" people who don't understand what is being said.
Far too people take the popular path and relay faults rhetoric
regarding songs or lyrical content that they have never bothered to
listen to or even read all the way thru.

I am attaching an article from the Detroit Free Press regarding
eminem, (slim shady) the Detroit area rapper who has taken a public
beating regarding his songs which portray his life and circumstances
were he was placed (at birth)

I have alway said that music of the younger generation is a
thermometer. The artist are not trying to lead teens to a violent
future, but are just "getting out" built up emotion that is plauging
them. Once you start to feel angry it is not easy to just "be
positive" or "just let go". Anger needs to be vented or it becomes a
little ball of sick that brews in your gut.

The sooner we understand what happens to children and learn to listen
to the real issues that they carry the sooner we start to move toward
a peace in society. Hopefully then economic and governmental peace
will follow.

I hope you take the time to read it.

Tracy

Listen up! Eminem gives a voice to his generation

Rapper's harsh words resonate with angry teens

By Brian Doherty

When the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences nominated
Eminem (real name Marshall Mathers) for a Grammy for best album of
the year, it shocked the world almost as much as the rapper has. Even
First Amendment partisans who would never advocate censorship are
openly appalled by the controversial singer's rants against women,
gays and rival pop acts. The album in question, the Marshall
Mathers LP, certainly portrays some vile thoughts and deeds. But as
we approach Wednesday's Grammy event, Eminem's detractors condemn him
by presenting disconnected snippets of lyrics that make his art seem
nothing more than ignorant advocacy of hateful mayhem.

They either don't notice or simply ignore that Eminem's songs deal
with serious issues, including an artist's responsibility to his
audience, an individual's responsibility for his own actions and how
a neglected, rootless upbringing contributes to adult dysfunction.

In fact, Eminem goes farther than any of his critics in portraying
his music as responsible for real-world mayhem.

The hit single Stan, for instance, tells of an impressionable Eminem
fan who descends into a booze-and-pill-induced murder-suicide. His
story is told through a series of letters to his idol. When Eminem
enters the narrative toward the end of the song, responding to Stan's
letters, he explains that listeners shouldn't take to heart when he
raps about harming others or himself, and that violent, destructive
actions like Stan's "make him sick."

Those who think Eminem is merely a moral monster spouting filth must
contend with this touching and artful portrait of a mixed-up,
hopeless American kid looking to a pop star for succor and
friendship - and Eminem's clearly moral response. It's a devastating
and carefully drawn piece of contemporary art.

Eminem's detractors similarly ignore that the rapper routinely
portrays characters in his songs, particularly a dark, crazed, alter
ego called "Slim Shady."

In any other art form but pop music, critics wouldn't be so quick to
assume that everything said is advocated by the author. Eminem raps
that "half the s-- I say, I just make it up to make you mad."

Only the most culturally conservative would be automatically outraged
by a novel, film or play that portrayed an angry, violent, confused
character from a broken home or even a killer. (Movies about urbane
cannibals like Hannibal Lector win awards without much fuss.)

Despite his shocking way of expressing himself, Eminem might be more
on the side of those who attack him than they think. He seems firmly
to believe in parental responsibility for kids' behavior. He raps
about the Columbine tragedy in The Way I Am: "When a dude's getting
bullied and shoots up his school ... they blame it on Marilyn
[Manson] ... where were the parents at?"

Eminem complains in Who Knew about seeing "three little kids.. with
their 17-year-old uncle" cheering an R-rated, violent
Arnold Schwarzeneggar movie. He advocates personal culpability for
heinous acts, mocking the idea that he should be blamed for evil
deeds committed by others merely because they heard him talk about
them.

He is amazed in I'm Back that someone who commits a crime could be
considered "an innocent victim ... puppet on the string of my tennis
shoe." He blames the sickness of his own thoughts and imagination on
a rootless, fatherless upbringing with a drug-abusing mother and
violent peers: "Read up/About how I used to get beat up/Peed on, be
on free lunch and change schools every three months."

By speaking in the voice of a generation of angry, confused kids,
Eminem shows them respect and understanding. For the rest of us, he
provides an artful look into a dark world from which we might prefer
to turn away.

Eminem is a gifted writer who portrays the nuances and ambiguities of
the human soul at war with itself, its upbringing and its culture.
America is home to lots of angry young men like the one Marshall
Mathers portrays or perhaps is in real life. (He has had several
brushes with the law.) Should people who think like him, who have
seen what he's seen, and felt what he's felt not be allowed to make
art from their conflicts and problems? Is it the duty of all decent
people to reject such art automatically?

The academy is standing up for the artistic value of its own field in
daring to recognize work as difficult, conflicted and potentially
offensive as Eminem's. In doing so, the academy is simply claiming
prerogatives that are barely questioned in other art forms.

In the final analysis, the debate over Eminem's Grammy nomination
comes down to a key political question: Is it OK to think these
things? And then: Is it OK to think it's OK to think these things?
Trying to quell or deny the legitimacy of the voice of a generation
of angry, confused kids struggling with their consciences and their
anger is neither wise nor fair.

The last music from Detroit, Eminem's hometown, to capture America's
imagination was Motown, whose slogan was "the sound of young
America." Eminem is the sound of a different young America, and it is
better to listen to it carefully than to shut it up.

Brian Doherty (bdoherty@reason.com) is an associate editor of REASON
magazine in California. Write letters to 615 W. Lafayette, Detroit,
MI 48226, or fax them to (313) 222-6417 or send e-mail to
letters@detnews.com.

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Subject: Re: [bprlist] Rock lyrics and society.
From: "Sunday"
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:44:19 -0500

Tracy,

There isn't anything about Eminem's filthy lyrics that I don't understand. What tends to puzzle me at the moment is your
defense of this person and your defense of homosexuality in your previous post. Are you a Believer in Jesus Christ?

http://www.whidbey.net/~dcloud/fbns/rapperconfusion.htm

-Scroll up this page to find further factual information on Eminem

-Sunday

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Subject: Re: [bprlist] Rock lyrics and society.
From: tracy
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:16:56 -0500

[Modnote: Tracy has now given his rebuttal to a couple of emails
in response to his original message. The topic is now closed for
list discussion mainly due to the stated purpose of the list.
Thank you.]

Sunday wrote:
>
> Tracy,
>
> There isn't anything about Eminem's filthy lyrics that I don't understand. What tends to puzzle me at the moment is your
> defense of this person and your defense of homosexuality in your previous post. Are you a Believer in Jesus Christ?

Let me see, I carry an understanding and forgiving attitude for all
people, Including homosexuals and the outcast like Emine. But somehow
you ask me if I am a believer in Jesus Christ?

I was about to ask some people here the same thing! Too many minds are
full of hell fire and damnation, I am wondering what kind of GOD they
worship! I suppose drinking is wrong too? (be careful, Jesus drank in
fact some said too much)

I think someone summed up the problem best, when they wrote:

   " We should, indeed, listen to children, Tracy, and we should 'learn
to
listen to the real issues'. We will not, however, learn those issues
from
children but we can learn them from God, if we let Him speak to us, as
children, with the openmindedness of children, to what He tells us,
through
His word, the Bible. "

Now try to understand, that this is the answer that has been given to
some people their whole life. We say we listen to kids but we don't
learn anything from them. If we don't learn from them then we really
haven't listen and they know it. Then we give them a cliché from a
church or worse, tell them to " just be positive" in our best impression
of a happy person. What was once built up hostility, has now become a
rage!

I am beginning to feel that in the past 2000 years we have not learned
anything about forgiveness and understanding. We have put the Pharisees
back in power just under new titles. Did we not listen to Jesus about
forgiveness? For your own sake understand that we get back from GOD
what we give to People. If we are not forgiving we will not be
forgiven! I know that we are all in sin so it may be necessary to be
very forgiving of others. But that is your own to call after all you
have to live with the consequences of GODS judgment against you. Since
I admit to being a fool I forgive everyone that way I will be forgiven.
Of course this does not mean that I intentionally sin or go against
GOD.

How many people out there have been raised by a drug using violent
mother, been exposed to child molesters, beaten up every day at school
and had to just suppress the anger that swells up inside of you. Did I
mention that at one time he had ONE very good friend? It was his cousin
and he KILLED HIM SELF! Any one out there had their best and only
friend kill them self? If that did happen, did you feel a need to
vent? Did you feel a need to scream that life just isn't fair? DID
YOU? I tell you what, even with the belief in Christ you still get
angry and need to vent. If you say different you are lying. I say that
because some of you have been upset with me and my writings, but I never
kicked you, beat you, humiliated you, or even swore at you. People who
have been sheltered most of their lives and hidden from the brutality
that life has to offer have no right to try to judge someone who has had
to face it.

You may not like what Eminem has to say. But I doubt anyone who has
responded has taken the time to listen to any of his songs all, let
alone a whole album. How can you judge something if you haven't even
taking the time to see with your own eyes or hear with your own ears?
You can't, all you can to is repeat what has been told to you by
someone else.

I pray for peace and for the understanding of ALL people, and GOD
answers

Tracy

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